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Dear god, Sal Cordova knows even less about fiction than he does about science December 26, 2007

Posted by Evil Bender in Morality, language and lit, wingnuts.
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Not that I’m really surprised that fools who blather on about ID don’t really know the science or math they claim to know–I’ve come to expect that. So why was I momentarily surprised by this blathering idiocy from Sal Cordova? Perhaps because having him tread on my territory–literature–caught me a little off-guard. Never fear, dear reader: I quickly overcame my initial surprise and can now turn my full attention to mocking Cordova for an argument that manages to butcher literature as badly as it does morality and reason.

Says Sal:

Would we expect a great screen writer or a great novelist to write a work where there were no problems or villains? Would we expect a composer to write great works of musice[sic] with no dissonance. If he doesn’t, one will be stuck with a monotoned sine-wave. Not very beautiful or compelling.

First of all, this is absolutely irrelevant to his point. The analogy is just stupid. We do like tension in novels, but that doesn’t mean we want it in our lives. We’d not watch a play with no conflict, but all things being equal, we’d surely prefer to avoid that same conflict at work. But even if that weren’t true, Cordova has put his staggering ignorance about fiction on display. He starts by conflating problems with villains. The first is a necessity of storytelling. The second is most certainly not.

To take an obvious–and beautiful–example, Slaughterhouse Five does not have a villain or antagonist, but it has plenty of problems–lots of beautiful moral tension.* Fiction doesn’t need villains, though perhaps Cordova does.

But all this is secondary to the terrible argument for the existence of God that old Sal wishes to make. Because if that’s a bad argument applied to lit, it’s downright terrible when applied to the Problem of Evil. Sal blathers,

Thus if we would expect a great novelist on the Earth to create a world full of villains, winners and losers, is it not reasonable to think the Great Novelist in the Sky to do the same. It is possible he would create a world, a story line where there are heroes and villains. A world without such drama is like Star Wars without Darth Vader.

Sorry, Sal, but I’m not going to let you ruin Star Wars** too. Star Wars is fun storytelling, but it’s also storytelling without God. We like the tension because we’re not sure how the Good Guys can manage to take down the Evil Empire. If Obi Wan had the ability to stop Vadar with a wave of his hand (“this isn’t the Universe you’re looking for”) and didn’t do so, we’d rightly feel there was no tension, only assholes on both sides. Tension works because we’re not sure how it works out, because we want to see the good guys win, but aren’t sure they will.  When God comes along, being supposedly all-powerful and all-good, and lets the Empire keep destroying planets, or lets malaria and floods continue killing those who could otherwise live, that’s not good fiction, and it’s certainly inconsistent with Sal’s favorite fictional character–his twisted little version of God.

It seems a rather strange property of reality that great good and beauty are realized with the possibility of evil and loss. We may not like it, but it seems that like the laws of thermodynamics dictate, things must come at a cost, and everything of any worth must come at a great price.

Which might explain the problem of human evil, but doesn’t explain why most fertilized embryos are never born, despite supposedly being human souls. Nor does it explain why tsunamis hit, Sudden Infant Death Syndrome, AIDs or Down Syndrome. The problem of natural evil cannot be explained by appeals to human decency, free will, or Sal’s idea of what a novel should be.

The present universal state may only be the early chapters in the greatest story ever told. The present futility and misery might possibly make sense only in light of how the story ends. Perhaps the present distress is only a chapter in the work of Great Novelist in the Sky, we are only in the middle of the evolution of Shrodinger’s Universal Wave Function, we’re not in the final state — the present distress is is not the whole story by any means. The Great Novelist in the Sky may have more to offer than meets the eye….

Too bad for Sal’s analogy, then, that we get to finish reading the novel, but we don’t get to see God’s big twist that makes the deaths of us and all our loved ones worth it. Starving children don’t get to see the great ending Sal thinks is on the way. And don’t claim an afterlife makes it worthwhile: Sal believes in good old fashioned Hell, after all, which hardly seems an ending which will justify all that suffering.

It may actually stand to reason, that trouble was ordained and premeditated for this universe, that perhaps it was planned from the foundation of the world that even innocent lambs would be slain…

When Sal says “stand to reason” he means “be the product of a tortured false analogy that relies on illogic and horrific conceptions of morality.” And yet Sal seems so damn pleased with the ease that he dispatched unbelievers’ arguments. Almost as pleased as he is in the thought that he’s obviously so much smarter than people with actual expertise.

And while I’m on the subject, I have to ask. Sal, please, please learn what ellipses are for.

*Something Cordova would likely never ascribe to an unbeliever, at least without trying that to “God placed in there,” as his God-of-the-Gaps generally does.

**If only I could stop George Lucas from doing so (rimshot).

Comments»

1. tinyfrog - December 27, 2007

Hey Evil Bender. Yeah, I stumbled onto his blog thanks to pharyngula. Quite a train-wreck. I especially liked the section where he says “Darwinist, Socialist brainwashing”. As if Darwinism has anything to do with socialism. I had to roll my eyes at this one too: “In the Darwinian world, when a creationist survived a scuffle with a Darwinist by murdering the Darwinist, the creationist by definition is the more fit species since the fittest are the ones that survive.” Wait – does “darwinism” means the strong survive, or does it mean socialism. With both (contradictory) examples, he manages to show he’s pretty clueless about evolution. I also liked how he ties together young earth creationism with intelligent design in his banner: “Exploring evidence that the universe and life came into existence recently by an act of Intelligent Design”. It’s amazing he can keep revealing deep levels of ignorance in post after post.

2. Evil Bender - December 27, 2007

Tinyfrog: thanks for stopping by! I’ve been enjoying your blog for a while now–especially the responses to Christianist talking points.

I was discussing with a friend last night the very “Darwinist, socialist” thing you mentioned, and it seems to me it’s part of a pattern by those on the far, far right: pick a scapegoat (atheists, “Darwinists,” Muslims, Jews, liberals, communists, etc.) and then blame everything in the world you don’t like that group. Sad, predictable, and all too common.

3. Dave - December 27, 2007

You write (about villains and evil) that these are “a necessity of storytelling”, but not necessarily for life, and rightly take Sal to task for confusing storytelling with reality. Unfortunately Sal lives in a story; reality is not allowed to intrude upon the creationist story at all. Does physics contradict the story? No problem – just pretend to change the laws of physics to fit the story… Etc. It’s all just a story for Sal.

Sal is by far the most ridiculous proponent for ID. He really can’t keep his mouth shut about the Christian God as the designer, and he really can’t even keep his mouth shut about his desire to validate YEC as a possibility to be considered by folks who are not completely insane. I guess what I mean to say is that he can’t keep his mouth shut, at all, and he is thus the best gift, humor-wise, that the ID movement has given us to date.

4. Kristine - December 27, 2007

*Groan* Don’t even go there, Sal! Not literature! No, no, no!

But his “argument,” if one can call it that, is so easily refuted by merely asking him and his gaggle of ID twits why they question the existence of these “oppressive” “Darwinists”!

So take your medicine and go to bed, Sal. Lump.

5. Eamon Knight - December 27, 2007

Followed the link here from Brayton’s place. Not gonna comment on the Cordova angle, because I can’t be bothered to read the little turd, however:

If Obi Wan had the ability to stop Vadar with a wave of his hand (”this isn’t the Universe you’re looking for”) and didn’t do so, we’d rightly feel there was no tension, only assholes on both sides [etc]

This is my problem with the Narnia books & movie (ie. now as an adult — when I was a kid I didn’t notice): They’ve got this Omnipotent Pal Aslan who (unlike eg. Kenobi or Gandalf, who are powerful but within limits) could just solve the whole problem by turning the Witch and her minions into stone or something, but instead insists that the Good Guys have to slog through it all the hard way (and of course some of them get killed in process). Actually, not quite all: he unpetrifies the Witch’s previous victims and thus arranges to show up with reinforcements just in the nick of time — so he’s not reluctant to intervene to some extent. But what plausible reason does Aslan have to do *some* majick but stop short of just fixing everything with the twitch of a whisker? No non-arbitrary one that I can see.

ISTM that having an omnipotent protagonist is an insoluble dramatic liability — and one with obvious implications for the real-world argument about the Problem of Evil. (And I would say that the best of the Narnia books are the ones with the least Aslan in them)

6. Evil Bender - December 28, 2007

Great comments on this thread. I guess I need to root for Brayton’s readers to link to me more often!

Eamon, great point about the problem of evil.and the role of omnipotence. I’d go even further with that analogy and add that books like Narnia are at their best when they get away from the good v evil mode and bring in moral complexity–which does happen sometimes, even in Narnia. Whatever else I might say about Lewis, he was capable of that at times.

Tolkien, by contrast, had a completely absent god and no insurance that good would triumph. That was a dramatic improvement over his friend’s Narnia books, certainly. But even then Jackson’s portrayal of his characters brought moral complexity that did not exist in the novels–i.e. Boromir’s motives are much more sympathetic and complex in the movies.

There certainly are some religious folk with morally complex worldviews, but for some reason we don’t see them stumping for ID. Maybe there’s something about god-of-the-gaps that is as hostile to ethics as it is to reason.

7. tinyfrog - January 2, 2008

Thanks.