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Martin Cothran on homosexuality April 1, 2008

Posted by Evil Bender in bigotry, sex, wingnuts.
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I enjoy it when ID advocates make clear their stances on other issues, because I think a number of well-meaning, scientifically uninformed people tend to be sympathetic to ID, yet when ID advocates make their real agendas and beliefs clear, they demonstrate what they really want. And of course, they establish their credibility.

Plus, it’s too often hilarious. In example, check out Martin Cothran’s latest shot at Ed Brayton. Cothran seems positively obsessed with claiming Brayton is obsessed with anything gay.* But Cothran can’t help but display his ignorance and his privilege (emphasis added):

 In case you hadn’t noticed, activist homosexuals take it as a personal affront that you disagree with them. Why? Heterosexuals do not take it as a personal affront if homosexuals disagree with them. So what gives? Why do homosexuals have this deep-seated need to be agreed with? And why the violent reaction when you disagree with them? It has nothing to do with anything you might want to do to them. You may very well want to mind your own business and prefer them to mind theirs (and, possibly, not want their homosexuality waved in your face every five minutes). It’s not what you might do that bothers them: it’s what you believe. They simply can’t stand the fact that you won’t accept what they do.

The irony, it burns! I guess Cothran has never heard of Matthew Shepard. Or maybe Shepard’s killers aren’t the heterosexuals who Cothran is discussing. Or maybe he’s thinking of the vicious gangs of lesbians that Bill O is so afraid of. Cothran loves rhetoric, so I have to wonder how he could be so blind to the realities of homophobia that he would accuse gay people of being “violent” in their disagreement–and this in a world where actual violence against homosexuals is a very real, very horrific problem.

Given that Cothran thinks that its gay people who are violently shoving their lifestyle in his face, I can’t be surprised that he’s obviously never considered what it might be like to be gay, to have heterosexuality “waved in your face” all the time, to be told you’re different and evil, to be told you can’t marry the person you love; to be at risk of assault because you like the “wrong” gender. Cothran lives in a world of heterosexual privilege, and he’s so blind to it that he actually accuses homosexuals of perpetuating the acts they are victims of.

Despite Cothran’s protestations, it isn’t what people think that concerns me, it is the way that bigots try to make their bigotry enshrined by law and culture. Cothran claims that he wants to “mind [his] own business,” yet he does so while breathlessly worrying about those mean homosexuals who desperately want his approval, and who get all violent when they don’t get their way, so somehow I doubt he’s going to join in the calls to stop legislating anti-gay bigotry. I doubt he’ll help push for a world where people don’t face discrimination due to the gender(s) they’re attracted to. No, he’s much more likely to go on complaining about those mean gay people shoving their fashion sense in his face.

On the plus side, Cothran’s stellar reasoning is much easier to see here than it is when he defends ID. No need to know anything about science to see how ludicrous is his position: you just need to observe how the world actually works, and compare it to the Land of the Oppressive Gays that Cothran apparently sees.

*Naturally, for Cothran this is an insult. Cothran obviously doesn’t see why protecting the rights of the minority is a problem. I wonder why a straight Christian man like Cothran would feel that way. Hmm.

[Edit: fixed typos. Sorry about that!]

[Update: Cothran has responded on his blog by creating and refuting a strawman and failing to address my actual argument. But he did call me "hysterical," which is awesome. I can feel my uterus wandering!]

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1. Arkades - April 4, 2008

Heterosexuals do not take it as a personal affront if homosexuals disagree with them.

Perhaps because the enfranchised majority feels perfectly secure, knowing full well the disenfranchised minority has no power to do anything *but* disagree? It’s easy to have a sense of largesse about such things when one feels certain nothing substantial will come of it.

Conversely, gay people *know* that the disapproval of straight society can have very real, immediate, and dangerous consequences for their lives and livelihoods. It’s not so much that we care about whether others ‘disagree’ with us, but rather, we fear how easily mere disapproval can slide into harassment, or even persecution.

Furthermore, one could argue that *some* heterosexuals *do* seem to take homosexuality as a personal affront – to their religion. Not even to the extent of homosexuals saying or doing disagreeable things, but merely by existing. Exactly *who* has the hang-up, here?

2. Dr. Psycho - April 6, 2008

“Heterosexuals do not take it as a personal affront if homosexuals disagree with them”.

No, they don’t take it personally, they just call you “hysterical”….

3. Louis - July 1, 2008

The true but sad aspect of this is that deep down, most homosexuals know that their behavior is wrong and disordered in some way–even if the result of genetics or environment. Alcoholism can be a genetic problem, but the tragic consequences of leaving it untreated (which means not drinking) can be just as devastating. Much to their detriment, homosexuals are almost never encouraged to love themselves but hate the sin, although small groups such as [Edit: my blog's comment section isn't going to shill for BS homosexual "cure" groups--EB] can help those who are willing to be honest.

4. Spherical Time - July 2, 2008

Hi Louis. I’m a homosexual. My gay behavior is no more wrong than your insistence that we change it. Of course, I’m not a Christian, so your silly rules don’t apply to me.

It’s funny, you know. This thread is about a comment talking about how gay people consider it a personal affront to be confronted with anti-gay speak. You’ll probably even consider this an example of it.

However, consider the irony that despite the peripheral nature of your comment to the topic of consideration here, you thought it would be appropriate to append a comment describing the exact behavior that would be calculated to get a homosexual (me) to respond.

Thus, the question is, are you trolling or what?